This stuff was rampant in the 80's. It was hard to disprove in the pre-internet days, so it kept persisting as jw urban legend.
joey jojo
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Celebrities Who Hate Jw's?
by Ron.W. indo you recall any?.
i was told that john denver hated jw's with a vengeance - any truth in that?.
also, annie lennox - i was told before a concert she asked any jw's present to leave?.
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Ages of each user here?
by ukpimo ini'm interested to know the age demographics here.
it must be significantly different to other exjw forums.
it would be a damning report for watchtower if most of us appear to have left for decades.. you don't have to mention your exact age, you could always say "in my 50s".. i am in my 70s.
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Reddit thread re Oct 2024 WT with picture of window washer - Theme knocking people who Planned
by LongHairGal inthis thread currently has over 300 comments.. it shows a picture of an older man washing a window looking wistfully… then it talks all about how some may have doubts about not having planned and the situation they are in now that they are older, etc.
it refers to others who did plan and who supposedly have ‘apparent’ financial security.
in my opinion, the whole gist of this article is to make older witnesses feel better who did not pursue a career or plan well for retirement.. it tries to imply that those others who planned only have ‘apparent’ financial security - which is to say they don’t (?).
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joey jojo
Unless someone is prepared to pay your bills for you, they have no right to tell you what financial decisions you should make in your life.
I know an elder/ pioneer, born in the early - mid 1960's. Father was a missionary/ pioneer. He is the typical poster boy for the org. Pioneered his entire life along with his wife- still pioneering- no kids, rents a house and has a window washing business. He is the super spiritual type.
He was extremely disappointed that the age limit for circuit overseers was changed- he just missed out by being a couple of years too old after the change. And now of course, he is getting older.
What has been his reward for his loyalty? He has witnessed nothing but prophetic failures all his life. Im sure he believed he would never get old and was looking forward to the end coming long, long ago. The sad thing is I know for a fact he is a fairly intellligent guy that could have probably excelled in a chosen career that would have been much more satisfying.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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joey jojo
This then suggests all these elements of the story are primarily etiological. Just as the story is a mythical origin story for why women struggle in childbirth while other animals generally don't and why snakes have no legs, the story is a folk-tale-style treatise on human nature.
There are stories like this in indigenous groups everywhere. For example, the boomerang was once a straight stick that held up the sky but bent because of the weight. That story holds as much credibility as a talking snake. Yet the majority of the world's population belongs to off shoots of abrahamic religions that has a talking snake at the foundation of their beliefs, whether they realise it or not.
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Trump assassination attempt??
by Diogenesister init happened at a rally in pennsylvania, apparently.
he seems ok i've seen a photo of him bleeding from his ear.
this is absolutely nutso....if it's too it doesn't surprise me the way they constantly describe him as "far right" and that his supporters are "maga republicans".
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joey jojo
resolute Bandicoot
You came within a cm (3/8") of a civil war yesterday.
RBYes, if that bullet found its target, I wonder what would be happening right now.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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Jeffro
joey jojo:
Sigh. I thought the sidebar was unnecessary. Anyway… you referenced animal behaviour that is not present in the story and then when there was a factual objection to the misleading generalisations about animal behaviour, you said it was outside the scope of the story.How so?
Well, please accept my apologies for causing you so much exasperation.
Of course the animal behaviour, like dogs humping legs is not present in the story, and yes, animals can display traits like affection, jealousy, greed etc. The point I was raising simply followed from Mustard's comments about what is considered good or bad, and who gets to choose that?
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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joey jojo
Jeffro
joey jojo:
In that case, the snake couldn’t validly be accused of deception if it didn’t know right from wrong.
I don’t remember that being in the Bible story.This entire thread is a discussion from a biblical point of view- I thought that was implied?
A male lion doesnt feel bad about killing his own offspring. Many animals are cannibalisitic. Dogs hump our legs. Is that the normal state of the human condition that god intended?
Jeffro, in an online conversation, nuance is sometimes lost. I think our side-bar has come way off the rails.
For the record, I believe the entire story is a fabrication. Its a human-centric origin story that attempts to explain the current human condition and our place in the universe. It has the same characters as other origin stories: A Creator, a Destroyer and a Preserver.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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Jeffro
joey jojo:
Non-human members of the animal kingdom do not know right from wrong.
That sweeping statement based on an errant comparison with human morality is incorrect. Though other animals lack the same level of complex language and reasoning, various species - particularly social species - demonstrate varying degrees of empathy, fairness, justice, punishment, remorse, cooperation, loyalty, problem solving, etc.
This entire thread is a discussion from a biblical point of view- I thought that was implied?
The topic of whether animals demonstrate social/ problem solving/ compassionate behaviours is another subject altogether.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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joey jojo
MeanMrMustard
Adam could have wondered the garden, blissfully and innocently raping lions and goats, with his wife, and neither of them would be able to even begin to grasp why that be wrong. Those actions would hold the same moral weight as eating from the tree of knowledge of good and bad.The original sin story leaves a lot of questions that are difficult to answer:
What did Eve think she would gain by eating the fruit- what was in it for her?
As mustard eloquently points out - why risk a perfectly happy life, raping lions, goats- or anything else that crossed your path?
Non-human members of the animal kingdom do not know right from wrong. A male lion doesnt feel bad about killing his own offspring. Many animals are cannibalisitic. Dogs hump our legs. Is that the normal state of the human condition that god intended?
If adam had eaten eve- how was he to know it was wrong? Was that a better alternative than eating the fruit? How could god NOT forgive him?
Was the only reason that eve ate the fruit was because she wanted the 'wisdom' to distinguish between good and bad?
Did Adam or Eve understand the full consequences of their actions and how it would affect their descendants?
Did they understand that not only would they die, but that god was going to prevent access to the tree of life and curse them too?
Were they destined to die anyway- without eating from the tree of life?
If the serpent was the original liar- heres an idea: why not just kill the freakin snake and save us all some trouble??!!